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[交易商] 瑞富门事件(REFCO)4亿3000万美圆财务丑闻

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發表於 2005-10-31 19:18:58 | 顯示全部樓層
[quote:5db97da00c="everok"]

NFA确实监管NFA成员FCM的外汇业务,NFA网站上面有清楚的说明。
:!:[/quote]

给个连接吧,
發表於 2005-10-31 19:31:52 | 顯示全部樓層
从逻辑的角度来看,FCM是否受监管和发生危机时,客户的资金是否能全部及时地提走是两个问题.
从用户的角度讲,用户只关心后者,而对前者则没有感性认识,也无从了解,或者说了解了也意义不大.
从辩证的角度来说,对用户来说.不管你有1000个好的理由,只要资金没保障这些理由就是无意义的,如果没有任何好的理由出现,只要资金有保障那用户就根本不需要知道更多细节.
从我的角度来说.在此发言(我也是通过百脑汇开户的)只是为了确认FCM破产了.我的所有资金都有保障,相信这是所有汇友最基本的要求了,不幸的是,还没有有说服力的证据表明这种担心毫无道理,恰恰相反,从FXCM的表述来看,若公司破产,公司只是有比例地退回客户资金,
看来,这个游戏最后的结果不是很光明啊.
發表於 2005-10-31 19:33:23 | 顯示全部樓層
[quote:1a8595c262="david11"]看看FXCM的CEO的访谈,它倒是很诚实,

http://www.learncurrencytrading.com/fxforum/forumdisplay.php?s=46ba1ef0d48e402d8d987b93642e68f1&f=61


Question: How can FXCM avoid a similar type of bankruptcy that Refco went through?
Drew's answer: It is important to note that corporate bankruptcy similar to personal bankruptcy only happens to companies that are deeply in debt and when their bsuiness prospects decline they are not able to meet those obl;igations. FXCM has <b>NO DEBT</b> whatsoever and therefore is not in danger of the same fate.


"NO DEBT", do you understand, 连FXCM的CEO都不担保,还在这里骗大家什么资金安全[/quote]


[quote:1a8595c262="thomasmo88"]"NO DEBT", do you understand, 连FXCM的CEO都不担保,还在这里骗大家什么资金安全
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那个在线访谈我也看了.人家说的很务实,也很客观,可以说是有一说一,没有什么夸大和臆测的成分在里面,大家可以去FXCM主页看看
我搞不懂这里发言的某些人比人家CEO更了解美国的非银行在线外汇零售业,可能吗?[/quote]


[quote:1a8595c262="david11"]
[quote]
"NO DEBT", do you understand, 连FXCM的CEO都不担保,还在这里骗大家什么资金安全


你真懂了DREW说了什么吗? FXCM的CEO怎么了?如果不是现在情况对FXCM相当糟糕,他的CEO会跑出来?
他在干吗? 在做危机公关,什么叫危机?[/quote]

FECM 现在安全, 因为它没有债务, "NO DEBT", 所以不会有和Refco一样的天数,

它的安全并不是什么监管, 是"fate"天数呀, 破产了他也保证不了什么, 还要他怎么说你才明白,[/quote]

你们不是认为" 人家说的很务实,也很客观,可以说是有一说一"

那么你看了下面这个话了吗? 看懂了吗? 如果看懂了还问那么愚蠢的问题,他不是已经说的很清楚?如果看不懂,那还搬出这个英语出来干吗?  替你们放大到24号字欣赏一下.

Question: I know FXCM is regulated by both NFA and CFTC. How does this guarantee that my money is safe with FXCM?

Drew's answer: in the refco collpase only customer funds that was frozen by bankruptcy court beonged to unregulated entities money that was in regulated entities in refcofx hong kong and refcofx canada was not frozen. Regulations protect clients the same way in that respect
發表於 2005-10-31 19:42:38 | 顯示全部樓層
Question: I know FXCM is regulated by both NFA and CFTC. How does this guarantee that my money is safe with FXCM?

Drew's answer: in the refco collpase only customer funds that was frozen by bankruptcy court beonged to unregulated entities money that was in regulated entities in refcofx hong kong and refcofx canada was not frozen. Regulations protect clients the same way in that respect
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这段话难道我看错了吗
他只是说那些未监管的实体的资金被冻结,
而那些监管实体中的钱不被冻结,这能说明什么问题吗?
这是最起码的要求的啊,有什么好欣慰的呢?
难道说不被冻结就全部返回给你吗?
看来与其说你的英文有问题,不如说你的语文太差.

FCM是否受监管和发生危机时,客户的资金是否能全部及时地提走是两个问题.
FXCM的表述来看,若公司破产,公司只是有比例地退回客户资金
發表於 2005-10-31 19:57:48 | 顯示全部樓層
[quote:45a007907d="thomasmo88"]Question: I know FXCM is regulated by both NFA and CFTC. How does this guarantee that my money is safe with FXCM?

Drew's answer: in the refco collpase only customer funds that was frozen by bankruptcy court beonged to unregulated entities money that was in regulated entities in refcofx hong kong and refcofx canada was not frozen. Regulations protect clients the same way in that respect
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这段话难道我看错了吗
他只是说那些未监管的实体的资金被冻结,
而那些监管实体中的钱不被冻结,这能说明什么问题吗?
这是最起码的要求的啊,有什么好欣慰的呢?
难道说不被冻结就全部返回给你吗?
看来与其说你的英文有问题,不如说你的语文太差.

FCM是否受监管和发生危机时,客户的资金是否能全部及时地提走是两个问题.
FXCM的表述来看,若公司破产,公司只是有比例地退回客户资金[/quote]
你英文和语文都好,为什么不去看资料呢? 这样说话只能说明你的无知和可悲. 
或者整个智力有异常?哈哈
 樓主| 發表於 2005-10-31 20:00:20 | 顯示全部樓層
thomasmo88 ,百脑汇不是任何一个公司的IB,如果你是通过2FXALL在REFCOFX开户的,在10/12 我们就已经通知所有用户最好从REFCOFX提款或者至少转款到FXCM,而REFCOFX停止客人提款是在10/17。只要信任我们的建议的,有充足时间提款。
对于宁愿相信当时REFCOFX那些只停止机构客人提款的劝解,而没有提款的朋友,只能说GOOD LUCK了。
为了确定你的2FXALL用户身份,建议你联系2FXALL,把你的论坛用户级别调整http://www.2fxall.com/contact.htm


若公司破产,公司只是有比例地退回客户资金

这个不用FXCM描述,对于所有有限责任公司的客人,都是相同的法律,无论是什么行业
不被冻结就全部返回给你。

也许你的英文和语文比这里的朋友都高明。

你可以参考以下的新闻,也许你看了以后就明白了。

现在本案件的事实是,REFCO的有监管的公司的客人都可以自由提款,而REFCO的律师认为其无监管公司的客人的资金属于这些无监管的REFCO实体,所以这些客人的资金赔偿会后于1级债务人。

因此,我们得出结论,有监管的公司比无监管的公司安全。



Complaint says Refco illegally shifted funds By Elliot Blair Smith, USA TODAY
6 minutes ago



A commodities fund fronted by globe-trotting investor Jim Rogers began wiring $340 million to Refco two weeks before the futures-trading company revealed an accounting blunder that prompted a criminal investigation, its CEO's arrest and the firm's collapse in bankruptcy court.

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In the chaotic days that followed, Refco repeatedly assured the Rogers group its funds were safe. Instead, Rogers alleges in a bankruptcy court filing, Refco illegally shifted the funds from a government-regulated account that management had no authority to tap, to a cash-squeezed offshore entity operating outside U.S. regulatory control.


Whether a victim of bad timing or misappropriation, Rogers - a self-described "adventure capitalist" known for sharing his worldwide odyssey in search of friends, fortune and fame - now finds himself lined up with hundreds of other Refco creditors in trying to get his funds' money back. If Rogers' funds had been left in the regulated unit, they would be unaffected by the Chapter 11 filing. That unit is being auctioned Nov. 9.


Rogers declined to comment for this story.


Hedge fund lawyer Michael Koblenz, a former enforcement attorney at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, terms "very serious" the allegation Refco diverted protected funds to an unregulated unit. Koblenz says a segregated account is "supposed to protect you - the customer - so you're not just a creditor hanging out in the wind."


Another Refco creditor, Leuthold Funds, plans to stake a similar claim this week, arguing that $107 million of its funds also enjoy protection, says Leuthold attorney Scott Early. Refco had no comment. In 1996, the CFTC fined Refco $925,000 for failing to segregate customer accounts and for violating previous cease-and-desist orders.


Questions about clients' money


The Rogers complaint raises troubling new allegations about how Refco management marshaled the firm's dwindling resources in the days before its Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing.


It also points up a wrinkle in the bankruptcy code. At regulated futures-trading firms such as Refco's, segregated funds aren't held in individual customer accounts but in a larger pool that contains all segregated funds, says commodities lawyer Edmund Schroeder. Customers' funds are separated only from management's. In the event of a firm's bankruptcy, Schroeder says, customers share in any trading losses that the group might suffer as a whole. Because Refco customers invest in complex derivatives, futures and options, many trades have yet to be unwound.


As government investigators and forensic accountants scour Refco's financial statements, an accurate accounting might be months away. The U.S. Attorney's Office, the     Securities and Exchange Commission and the CFTC all are investigating.


At a bankruptcy court hearing Friday, Refco attorney Gregory Milmoe argued that the assets now held by the unregulated entity, Refco Capital Markets, belong to the firm and not its customers.


The Rogers complaint provides an unusually intimate glimpse of the upheaval that enveloped Refco on Oct. 10, when the New York firm disclosed that its CEO, Philip Bennett, allegedly had disguised a $430 million personal obligation to the firm and allegedly manipulated its books to keep his debt from auditors, bankers and investors.


Bennett denies wrongdoing.


The Rogers funds, run by Chicago money manager Walter Price of Beeland Management, allege that Refco "deceitfully" diverted hundreds of millions of dollars in government securities it was depositing in a newly established segregated funds account at the regulated entity, Refco LLC.


In a series of phone calls and e-mails over several days, the Rogers group repeatedly sought - and received - assurances that the funds were deposited appropriately, according to the complaint. In one e-mail exchange Oct. 11, Refco executive Richard Butt assured Price that at least some Rogers funds were in segregated accounts.


Four hours later, the Rogers group asked Butt if he was sure the funds were safely segregated. "Yes," Butt wrote, his e-mail shows.


But Refco produced an account statement Oct. 12 showing that segregated funds had been "swept" out of Refco LLC to the unregulated Refco Capital Markets, the complaint says.


More nervous exchanges followed, including one between Price and Refco Senior Vice President Robert Mercorella, who briefly worked for the Rogers group last summer. Mercorella told Price he had "put a stop on any further transfers and would try to have the funds transferred back to Refco LLC," the Rogers group complaint says. But a colleague, Antonio Kenyatta, insisted on receiving written authorization first, the complaint says. The next day, Oct. 13, the Rogers group faxed the written orders. By then, it was too late. Refco said customer withdrawals had outstripped available funds. Four days later, it filed Chapter 11.
發表於 2005-10-31 20:05:15 | 顯示全部樓層
thomasmo88 ,百脑汇不是任何一个公司的IB,如果你是通过2FXALL在REFCOFX开户的,在10/12 我们就已经通知所有用户最好从REFCOFX提款。
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没有.我前面说过.我是FXCM的客户
發表於 2005-10-31 20:11:22 | 顯示全部樓層
引用:

若公司破产,公司只是有比例地退回客户资金


这个不用FXCM描述,对于所有有限责任公司的客人,都是相同的法律,无论是什么行业
引用:




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如果这是最终解释的话,那就OK了.根本不用讨论什么监管不监管的了
就象讨论如果一个人被车撞死了,法院判司机负全责一样对死者无意义.
發表於 2005-10-31 20:21:29 | 顯示全部樓層
[quote:70f77bf937="tom"]
Drew's answer: in the refco collpase only customer funds that was frozen by bankruptcy court beonged to unregulated entities money that was in regulated entities in refcofx hong kong and refcofx canada was not frozen. Regulations protect clients the same way in that respect[/quote]

要我到hong kong,canada开户?
發表於 2005-10-31 20:24:51 | 顯示全部樓層
[quote:2452734077="thomasmo88"]thomasmo88 ,百脑汇不是任何一个公司的IB,如果你是通过2FXALL在REFCOFX开户的,在10/12 我们就已经通知所有用户最好从REFCOFX提款。
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没有.我前面说过.我是FXCM的客户[/quote]

我们没有你的资料,请提供到
http://www.2fxall.com/contact.htm
否则不要自称是我们的用户,谢谢

[quote:2452734077="thomasmo88"]引用:

若公司破产,公司只是有比例地退回客户资金


这个不用FXCM描述,对于所有有限责任公司的客人,都是相同的法律,无论是什么行业
引用:




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如果这是最终解释的话,那就OK了.根本不用讨论什么监管不监管的了
就象讨论如果一个人被车撞死了,法院判司机负全责一样对死者无意义.[/quote]

问题的核心是 监管下客人的资金被挪用的机会小于无监管的。

钱是命吗?你死了的赔偿,同你资金受损失的赔偿一样吗?
發表於 2005-10-31 20:41:05 | 顯示全部樓層
问题的核心是 监管下客人的资金被挪用的机会小于无监管的。

钱是命吗?你死了的赔偿,同你资金受损失的赔偿一样吗?
000000000000000

被监管的风险小于无监管的这谁都知道,不用你说的.
本来我来质疑的目的是为了确认如果破产了.客户的资金是不是全部可以拿回,现在看来不是这样的.
钱当然不是命了.死人地赔偿只是一种比喻,难道你认为就死人的赔偿重要,投机的钱不重要,
那你为什么还要去投机呢.
我的质疑当然是正常的思维,也是广大汇友希望了解的,有什么错?只有让通过你们这开户的或上你们这咨询的,广大汇友切实的了解当前保证金交易各种系统,非系统风险,才是一种厚道的表现,才能令大家都安心,为什么不乐见于此呢?
我当然是通过你们开户去的,你查不到我的资料太正常了.因为我的这个ID是刚注册的,怎么可能和我的真实资料一模一样呢?
 樓主| 發表於 2005-10-31 20:49:31 | 顯示全部樓層
你说的是任何有限公司都存在的风险, 而不是我们这里探讨的无监管公司的风险。
發表於 2005-10-31 21:00:49 | 顯示全部樓層
[quote:319fed4c95="thomasmo88"]被监管的风险小于无监管的这谁都知道,不用你说的.
本来我来质疑的目的是为了确认如果破产了.客户的资金是不是全部可以拿回,现在看来不是这样的.
钱当然不是命了.死人地赔偿只是一种比喻,难道你认为就死人的赔偿重要,投机的钱不重要,
那你为什么还要去投机呢.
我的质疑当然是正常的思维,也是广大汇友希望了解的,有什么错?只有让通过你们这开户的或上你们这咨询的,广大汇友切实的了解当前保证金交易各种系统,非系统风险,才是一种厚道的表现,才能令大家都安心,为什么不乐见于此呢?[/quote]


只要是监管的公司,资金没有被挪用,当然可以拿回,这个谁都知道,就你不知道.

有什么错?不乐见于此呢?
连REFCO受监管公司的客人可以自由提款这个基本事实都不清楚,而大发一通莫名其妙的观点,  这难道叫正常思维?我确实不乐见于此,实在是浪费我的时间。
發表於 2005-10-31 21:04:28 | 顯示全部樓層
只要是监管的公司,资金没有被挪用,当然可以拿回,这个谁都知道,就你不知道.
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怎么又来搅和?按比例返回有什么用?
 樓主| 發表於 2005-10-31 21:08:35 | 顯示全部樓層
既然资金没有被挪用, 为什么要按比例返回?

别人回答你的问题 是搅和? 你是什么呢?
發表於 2005-10-31 21:11:30 | 顯示全部樓層
哈哈,楼上二位,看来对某些概念的认识有一定的差异, 同是汇中人,求大同,存小议好啦!
不要你来我往了,
一来,伤了和气,
二来影响自己的心情,
三来影响了自己作单,赔了钱可不爽了...
:mrgreen:  :mrgreen:
说不定今晚有大行情啊,
先集中精力赚钱再说啊, 赚了能全部取回来那是最好,不能全部取回来也没撤,
谁让咱没资本去银行做呢?
谁让咱国家银行还不开保证金业务呢?

呵呵,  :roll:  :roll:
發表於 2005-10-31 21:18:04 | 顯示全部樓層
呵呵,象这位的逻辑能力,还赚钱,呵呵,送钱大王
發表於 2005-10-31 21:19:11 | 顯示全部樓層
既然资金没有被挪用, 为什么要按比例返回?

别人回答你的问题 是搅和? 你是什么呢?
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我不明白你说的是什么意思,
本来不是已经说清楚了吗
破产了.客户资金是按比例返回的,不是全部返回的,
有什么不对吗?
怎么又搞出新花样来?资金有没有被挪用,你能知道?
它只要不出问题,当然可以全部拿回来,傻子都知道的.
出了问题难道不是按比例返回吗,还是什么?一点都不返回吗?
發表於 2005-10-31 21:26:46 | 顯示全部樓層
连REFCO受监管公司的客人可以自由提款这个基本事实都不清楚,而大发一通莫名其妙的观点, 这难道叫正常思维?我确实不乐见于此,实在是浪费我的时间。
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我看你越搞越无聊了.前面你们那位老兄说任何受监管的公司破产了客户资金不可能全部返回的.你承不承认这一点,现在它受监管的公司客人可以自由提款,只能说明它这个被监管公司还没破产,不然破产了怎么能全部提走呢?
另外的解释是:它这个实体已经破产了,正准备被拍卖,客户只能按比例提款,自由提款不等于全部提款.
發表於 2005-10-31 21:36:55 | 顯示全部樓層
越搞越无聊,我搞你屁股还是搞你嘴了?
發表於 2005-10-31 21:45:13 | 顯示全部樓層
楼上的小子,我来此是寻找事实的,不是和猪对话的
發表於 2005-10-31 21:48:55 | 顯示全部樓層
自己找不到说服力的论调还怪别人,TOM,我看你是忘乎所以了.
在交易中,最重要的一点是要对自己诚实,自己骗自己有什么意义
我也希望FCM破产了能全部拿回自己的资金,
但从一系列讨论来看这种希望不大,所以只能于此了.
發表於 2005-10-31 21:48:55 | 顯示全部樓層
[quote:ed8450360d="thomasmo88"]楼上的小子,我来此是寻找事实的,不是和猪对话的[/quote]

我更不是同猪狗不如的东西对话的
發表於 2005-10-31 21:50:34 | 顯示全部樓層
thomasmo88 写到:
楼上的小子,我来此是寻找事实的,不是和猪对话的


我更不是同猪狗不如的东西对话的
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哈哈,你难道意识不到自己就是这种动物吗,.
真是个笨蛋
發表於 2005-10-31 22:08:24 | 顯示全部樓層
Refco Bad Debts Started With Asian Currency Crisis, People Say
Oct. 31 (Bloomberg) -- Refco Inc. racked up most of the losses that led to its collapse from companies crippled by the Southeast Asia economic crisis that began in 1997, people with knowledge of the matter said.

An internal probe of Refco's failure found that by 2000 eight companies in the region owed it about $300 million, said one of the people, who declined to be identified because the investigation isn't public. At least a third of that amount came from Repco Holdings Bhd., a Malaysian gambling and lumber company, the people said.

Refco was the biggest independent U.S. futures broker until it sought bankruptcy protection on Oct. 17, a week after disclosing that former Chief Executive Officer Phillip Bennett covered up $430 million of bad debts that dated back to 1998. New York-based Refco hasn't disclosed the origin of those losses.

``During the Asian crisis, we were very concerned that big investors could leave a firm like Refco holding the bag,'' said Michael Greenberger, a law professor who led the trading and markets unit of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, a U.S. regulator of Refco, from 1997 to 1999. ``It sounds like Bennett may have avoided all that by covering those loans himself.''

Refco said in an Oct. 11 statement that Bennett, 57, hid debts that the company was owed by shifting them to a separate entity he controlled. Most of the receivables were uncollectible, the company said.

Slumping Stock

By assuming debts that Refco was unable to collect, Bennett kept the company from having to account for them as losses. U.S. Attorney Michael Garcia, who's pursuing the criminal case against Bennett, said Oct. 12 that the cover-up deceived investors who bought $583 million of stock in Refco's Aug. 5 initial public offering.

Refco sold shares to the public at $22 each and they reached a high of $30.55 on Sept. 7. They closed at $1.12 on Oct. 28. The stock has been delisted from the New York Stock Exchange.

Refco plans to sell assets on Nov. 9 in a court-supervised auction. At least seven companies, including Merrill Lynch & Co. in New York and Interactive Brokers Group LLC of Greenwich, Connecticut, have shown an interest in acquiring all or part of the company.

Bennett was arrested on Oct. 11 and charged the next day with securities fraud in Manhattan federal court. Bennett ``received no personal profits from this indebtedness'' and prosecutors handling the case ``jumped the gun'' by arresting him before conducting a full investigation, said his lawyer, Gary Naftalis, at a court hearing on Oct. 12.

Collapse of Repco

Bennett repaid the $430 million of debts on Oct. 10, the same day that he was removed as chairman and CEO.

Naftalis declined to comment on the origin of Refco's losses, as did Sandra Sternberg, a company spokeswoman, citing the ongoing investigation.

Some of Refco's losses stemmed from Repco Holdings, a company in Kota Kinabalu, the port capital of the forest-covered state of Sabah, that operated betting pools at a horseracing track, extracted and marketed timber, blended brake fluid and sold auto parts, people familiar with the matter said.

Shares of Repco Holdings reached a record 140.5 ringgit on Sept. 9, 1997, an amount then equivalent to $48.18. By January 1998, the stock had plummeted to less than 20 ringgit, or about $5, a victim of the economic slowdown and currency devaluations that swept Southeast Asia.

Concealed Debts

Trading in Repco Holdings was halted the following year and Malaysia appointed an administrator to take control of the company. The stock was delisted from the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange in 2003.

Refco owned 8.5 percent of Repco Holdings as of November 1998. By October 2001, the stake had risen to 13 percent and the 2002 Repco Holdings annual report lists Refco as the company's second-largest shareholder.

The investigation is still trying to determine how Refco ended up with debt from Repco Holdings, people familiar with the probe said. Sternberg, the Refco spokeswoman, declined to comment.

``I never had any accounts with Refco,'' said Low Thiam Hock, 43, former chairman of Repco Holdings, in an interview in Kuala Lampur. ``Any losses or debts from Refco have nothing to do with me.'' Low has pleaded not guilty to allegations that he illegally tried to prop up shares of Repco Holdings.

In addition to Repco Holdings, Bennett concealed debts from Devonshire Strategic Holdings, RGF Ltd., Kipler Investments, Hazelhurst Investments, Helford Resources, East Client Services Ltd. and an entity listed as Luhur, said one person with direct knowledge of Refco's investigation. From 1998 to about 2000, the debts they owed to Refco were assumed by Bennett's company, this person said.

Efforts to locate the firms other than Repco Holdings were unsuccessful. A company called Helford Resources Ltd. was declared defunct in New Zealand in 2003, according government records there.


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Refco and one customer's money
The Rogers Funds allege Refco illegally shifted $340 million of its assets into an unregulated subsidiary before the Refco unit filed for bankruptcy court protection. The Rogers group is trying to recover the money. Rogers' court filings allege this is what happened:

Late September

Rogers tells Refco it plans to deposit several hundred million dollars in investor funds in segregated accounts at the futures-trading company's Refco LLC unit, regulated by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.

Sept. 26-Oct. 12

Refco wire instructions show Rogers' assets were transferred to Refco LLC.

Oct. 7

Refco gives instructions for transfer of Rogers' U.S. government securities to Refco Capital Markets, an unregulated subsidiary, instead of Refco LLC.

Oct. 10

Refco says its financial statements are unreliable and its CEO, Phillip Bennett, has taken a leave of absence.

Oct. 11

Rogers asks Refco for a statement of the funds' assets. Refco representative provides a document showing government securities are held by Refco Capital Markets, but assures Rogers the securities will be transferred to Refco LLC.

Oct. 12

Rogers learns that other assets placed with Refco LLC have been moved to Refco Capital Markets, allegedly without its permission.

Oct. 13

Refco announces liquidity shortage at Refco Capital and a 15-day freeze on withdrawals. Refco representative says he brought the Rogers matter to Refco's board and its bankruptcy law firm, but nothing was resolved.

Oct. 14

Rogers' lawyer sends letter to Refco, demanding immediate transfer of Rogers' assets at Refco Capital to Rogers' accounts at another firm.

Oct. 17

Refco and Refco Capital file Chapter 11. Refco LLC does not.

Friday

A lawyer for Refco tells creditors his firm's preliminary opinion is Refco owns customer accounts at Refco Capital, not customers.

Contributing: Reuters


REFCO整个是在欺诈,哈哈, 340 百万美圆就这么玩到RCM去了。
發表於 2005-11-1 08:36:37 | 顯示全部樓層
真tm黑暗。
發表於 2005-11-1 14:20:58 | 顯示全部樓層
Refco denies wrongfully seizing assets 1 hour, 23 minutes ago



NEW YORK (Reuters) - Bankrupt futures broker Refco Inc. (Other OTC:RFXCQ - news) denied on Monday that it misdirected and wrongfully seized assets at the center of a lawsuit by two funds backed by famed investor Jim Rogers.


The two funds, backed by the best-selling investment author and co-founder of the Quantum Fund, sued Refco Inc. last week demanding the immediate return of $362 million in assets that they said were fraudulently seized.

The complaint filed by the Rogers Raw Materials Fund LP and the Rogers International Raw Materials Fund LP last week said Refco deceitfully diverted $340 million in government securities to an unregulated entity, Refco Capital Markets.

The two Chicago-based funds had authorized in recent weeks a transfer of assets, but to another unit that is regulated, Refco LLC, the Rogers complaint said. The limited liability company is a futures brokerage that was not part of last week's bankruptcy filing and is still operating.

But on Monday Refco said in its response to the Rogers complaint in a filing with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York that "nothing could be farther from the truth."

"Each of the Rogers Funds entered into multiple agreements with Refco Capital Markets in order to create accounts with, and hold assets at Refco Capital Markets," Refco said.

Furthermore, if the Rogers funds did not intend to hold the assets at Refco Capital Markets, "there would have been no need for any of these agreements."

The original Rogers complaint also said just days before Refco filed for bankruptcy and without authorization, about $22 million in cash was taken from the funds' separate customer accounts and deposited with the capital markets unit.

Refco said on Monday that representatives of the Rogers funds authorized the transfer.



口水战
發表於 2005-11-1 18:44:03 | 顯示全部樓層
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發表於 2005-11-1 18:51:27 | 顯示全部樓層
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