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[交易商] 瑞富门事件(REFCO)4亿3000万美圆财务丑闻

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發表於 2006-1-18 17:53:48 | 顯示全部樓層
[quote:8a2d554ec7="tom"][quote:8a2d554ec7="tangchao"]
我们这里的兄弟都是在REFCOFX开户的,当时没有提款的应该在春节前后可以提款走人了。 祝贺。



如果等不及至少40天的过程,对于 停止提款,我琢磨了一个策略。
http://www.fxforum.com/p/viewtopic.php?p=29402#29402

兄弟们看看,呵呵,也许更适合那些没指望的RCM REFCO108帐户,不过我们这里应该没这样的吧。

TOM

tom斑竹您好,关于您的提款策略,我非常想看一下,因为本人非常不幸,是REFCO108的帐户,而且还比较多,好几万美金呀,都是血汉钱呀。我试过您发的那个连接,被告知无权浏览。在这里恳请tom斑竹能让小弟看看,谢谢。如果不便公开此策略,能不能发一份到我邮箱,小弟决不泄漏,再次感谢斑竹,希望能帮帮小弟。[/quote]

REFCO108已经停止交易了,所以那个策略已经对REFCO108无效了[/quote]

同情楼上兄弟。 你当时为什么没有开REFCOFX.com 而开了REFCO108,元凶哪里去了?

:arrow: REFCO108已经入土了。
在REFCOFX。COM还有资金的个别几位朋友,应该抓紧时间按照我在俱乐部里面发的方法,尽快自我解救吧,求人不如求己,谁知道月底那个拍卖会有什么新的可能发生 :!:  :!:  :!:  :!:
發表於 2006-1-19 17:03:32 | 顯示全部樓層
请问如果FXCM收购RFX成功.FXCM净值6000万.却用1.1亿收购.净值是否为负.另外象这种情况在FXCM做是否风险很大.谢谢
 樓主| 發表於 2006-1-19 22:16:57 | 顯示全部樓層
[quote:c410803409="tangchao"]请问如果FXCM收购RFX成功.FXCM净值6000万.却用1.1亿收购.净值是否为负.另外象这种情况在FXCM做是否风险很大.谢谢[/quote]

如果是现金收购确实比较有问题。

同时是否收购值得,乃至后续的整合,客人的流失等问题,都不轻松。

一个上市公司收购别人意向出来以后 ,很多都是自身股票价格应声而落。
FXCM不是上市公司,财务信息更是不透明,所以聪明汇友应该知道如何去避免风险的。
發表於 2006-1-19 22:25:02 | 顯示全部樓層
推迟到2月16日了。

A U.S. bankruptcy judge on Wednesday delayed the auction for Refco Inc.'s stake in a retail currency brokerage by three weeks to Feb. 16, a lawyer at the hearing said.

An auction had been slated for Jan. 26, but Judge Robert Drain of the U.S. bankruptcy court in Manhattan authorized the delay after some creditors complained that information about the assets was slow to arrive.
 樓主| 發表於 2006-1-20 16:39:15 | 顯示全部樓層
[quote:b6fdb06b1d="tom"][quote:b6fdb06b1d="tom"][quote:b6fdb06b1d="tangchao"]
我们这里的兄弟都是在REFCOFX开户的,当时没有提款的应该在春节前后可以提款走人了。 祝贺。



如果等不及至少40天的过程,对于 停止提款,我琢磨了一个策略。
http://www.fxforum.com/p/viewtopic.php?p=29402#29402

兄弟们看看,呵呵,也许更适合那些没指望的RCM REFCO108帐户,不过我们这里应该没这样的吧。

TOM

tom斑竹您好,关于您的提款策略,我非常想看一下,因为本人非常不幸,是REFCO108的帐户,而且还比较多,好几万美金呀,都是血汉钱呀。我试过您发的那个连接,被告知无权浏览。在这里恳请tom斑竹能让小弟看看,谢谢。如果不便公开此策略,能不能发一份到我邮箱,小弟决不泄漏,再次感谢斑竹,希望能帮帮小弟。[/quote]

REFCO108已经停止交易了,所以那个策略已经对REFCO108无效了[/quote]

同情楼上兄弟。 你当时为什么没有开REFCOFX.com 而开了REFCO108,元凶哪里去了?

:arrow: REFCO108已经入土了。
在REFCOFX。COM还有资金的个别几位朋友,应该抓紧时间按照我在俱乐部里面发的方法,尽快自我解救吧,求人不如求己,谁知道月底那个拍卖会有什么新的可能发生 :!:  :!:  :!:  :!:[/quote]

TOM的预计应验了。拍卖日期推迟。
还没有跑的是否还在犹豫???
發表於 2006-1-20 23:54:59 | 顯示全部樓層
请问一下现在在哪里开户比较好,安全?大家都在哪里开的户?
發表於 2006-1-20 23:56:50 | 顯示全部樓層
请问一下现在在哪里开户比较好,安全?大家都在哪里开的户?
發表於 2006-1-20 23:59:32 | 顯示全部樓層
请问一下现在在哪里开户比较好,安全?大家都在哪里开的户?
發表於 2006-1-21 01:13:17 | 顯示全部樓層
NEW YORK, Jan 18 (Reuters) - A U.S. bankruptcy judge on Wednesday delayed the auction for Refco Inc.'s stake in a retail currency brokerage by three weeks to Feb. 16, a lawyer at the hearing said.

An auction had been slated for Jan. 26, but Judge Robert Drain of the U.S. bankruptcy court in Manhattan authorized the delay after some creditors complained that information about the assets was slow to arrive.

Refco (RFXCQ.PK: Quote, Profile, Research) wants to sell its minority stake in Forex Capital Markets, a retail foreign exchange brokerage.

Forex Capital Markets has offered to buy the stake for $110 million, including forgiven receivables.

The brokerage had been responsible for supplying much of the requested materials to bidders. It said it did so in a timely manner, but agreed to delay the auction to give bidders more time for review.



如果我在FXCM有资金的话,现在也立即提款。
發表於 2006-1-21 07:18:13 | 顯示全部樓層
如果我在FXCM有资金的话,现在也立即提款。
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FXCM客户现在也要立即提款?
好象没看出太大必要来。
發表於 2006-1-21 08:48:01 | 顯示全部樓層
请问瑞富RCM108客户被冻的持仓部位前天都被平掉了.不知是什么法律程序.而同时又宣布RFX的交易向后推迟3周.这是怎么回事?
 樓主| 發表於 2006-1-21 16:02:15 | 顯示全部樓層
[quote:f845aaea2e="tangchao"]请问瑞富RCM108客户被冻的持仓部位前天都被平掉了.不知是什么法律程序.而同时又宣布RFX的交易向后推迟3周.这是怎么回事?[/quote]

你说的被平掉的只是REFCO108的零售客人吧
REFCO108的零售客人主要是亚洲华人客户
REFCOFX的客人主要是欧美的客人
 樓主| 發表於 2006-1-21 18:45:06 | 顯示全部樓層
Refco Delays Auction, Related Deadlines for Proposed Sale of Retail Foreign Exchange Assets
            

    NEW YORK, Jan. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Refco Inc. (OTC: RFXCQ) said
today that Judge Robert D. Drain of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court of the Southern
District of New York approved on Wednesday, January 18 an order delaying the
auction and related deadlines for the proposed sale of assets of Refco's
online foreign-exchange trading unit, namely:

     * More than 17,000 retail client accounts of Refco FX Associates LLC
       (http://www.RefcoFX.com); and

     * The 35% share of Forex Capital Markets LLC (FXCM) currently owned by
       Refco.  FXCM, a Futures Commission Merchant registered with the CFTC
       and a member of the National Futures Association, provides a foreign
       currency trading platform and execution services to retail investors.

    The adjournment was sought to provide potential bidders with more time for
due diligence and to schedule management meetings on the sale and came after
agreement with the current "stalking horse" bidder FXCM and Refco's Official
Committee of Unsecured Creditors and the Agent for its bank lending group.

    Judge Drain's order establishes, among other things, the following new
deadlines and dates:

     * Latest date for interested parties to qualify as potential bidders and
       access the virtual data room: February 10, at noon;

     * Deadline for the submission of a qualified bid package: February 13,
       at 10:00 a.m.;

     * Potential bidders will be notified whether they are a "qualified
       bidder" under the Bidding Procedures Order by 10:00 a.m. on February
       15;

     * If there is more than one "qualified bidder," an auction would be held
       at the offices of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP on February
       16 at 10:00 a.m.; and

     * A hearing to approve the sale to the winning bidder will be held at the
       U.S. Bankruptcy Court in lower Manhattan on February 17, at 10:00
       a.m.

    The bidding procedures for the sale of Refco's retail foreign exchange
assets are similar to those employed in the sale of the assets of Refco LLC,
the company's regulated commodity futures business, which was completed on
November 25.
    "We are pleased that we were able to reach an agreement and obtain the
Court's approval of the revised bidding timeline and look forward to holding a
robust auction for these assets," said Harrison J. Goldin, Refco's chief
executive officer.
    If approved by the U.S. Bankruptcy Court, the transaction will ultimately
preserve all the account balances in the transferred retail client accounts.
    All those interested in taking part in the bidding process should contact
Ashish Contractor at Greenhill & Co. at 212-389-1500.


到2月10日都还可以提交BID申请,变数太多了。
發表於 2006-1-21 19:28:34 | 顯示全部樓層
http://www.refcofx.com 已经无法访问了!!!
發表於 2006-1-26 12:38:01 | 顯示全部樓層
宪在refo 能提款了么?
發表於 2006-1-27 17:54:17 | 顯示全部樓層

Re: 瑞富门事件(REFCO)4亿3000万美圆财务丑闻

[quote:1fff6c7fdc="everok"]周一,Refco Inc.(RFX)股价下跌近45%。此前,Refco称,该公司董事长兼执行长菲利普-R-班尼特(Phillip R. Bennett)控股的公司欠REFCO共4亿3000万美元 ,此事发现之后,班尼特被要求休假。



4亿3千万美金!!!
REFCOFX是否应该发个声明出来了。
[/quote]鼎上去~~
發表於 2006-2-3 19:20:07 | 顯示全部樓層
Movers: Bank offers pay proposal for Refco Capital clients  
Bloomberg News

FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 3, 2006


NEW YORK: Customers of Refco Capital Markets would be offered 23 cents to 65 cents on the dollar in cash under a proposal by the investment bank Abadi to buy the bankrupt futures trader.

Under the plan submitted to U.S. bankruptcy court on Thursday, customers of Refco Capital Markets, an offshore unit of Refco, the bankrupt futures broker, would have the option of getting some of their money back in the form of cash, shares or notes. The proposal was attached to a court filing objecting to a pending motion to liquidate Refco Capital Markets.

"The sponsors believe they have the support of sufficient current and former personnel to launch significant operations almost immediately," Abadi said in papers filed in bankruptcy court in New York. The other Refco bidders, or sponsors, are Greylock Capital, a private equity firm, and Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein Securities.

Refco Capital Markets filed for bankruptcy protection in October along with its parent and 22 affiliates. In December, customers of Refco Capital Markets asked the court to order the company liquidated under Chapter 7 of the bankruptcy code, rather than restructured under Chapter 11. Abadi, objecting to that request, filed its proposal Thursday.

The customers want their cash and securities, as much as $3.67 billion, returned in full. Refco has said it intends to treat the funds as unsecured debt. Unsecured creditors typically receive 40 cents on the dollar in large restructurings. Abadi's proposal could render the issue moot.

The plan describes a two-step process. First it discounts the customer's claim by a certain percentage based on the type of account it comes from. Foreign-exchange accounts, for instance, would be discounted 65 percent.

A customer would then have the option of taking 65 cents on the dollar for the remaining 35 percent, leaving the customer with 23 cents a share. Or customers could take the riskier option of accepting common shares in the new enterprise valued at 100 percent of their remaining 35 percent.

Holders of custody accounts could cash out for 65 cents on the dollar or get the full value of their claim in common shares. The value of the common shares would increase, depending on recoveries from litigation stemming from Refco's collapse and other potential sources of income.

Customers could also opt to buy notes, have their accounts managed by the new company or manage their own accounts. The higher the risk of each choice, the more of the customer's account value would be retained.


65% 折扣:),哈哈贱卖 RCM

The higher the risk of each choice, the more of the customer's account value would be retained.
:!:
發表於 2006-2-13 10:22:09 | 顯示全部樓層
有点悲惨
發表於 2006-2-16 15:42:30 | 顯示全部樓層
Refco FX的拍卖被取消了,听证会被推迟。

NEW YORK, Feb 15 (Reuters) - Refco Inc. (RFXCQ.PK: Quote, Profile, Research), the bankrupt futures and commodities brokerage, said on Wednesday it has canceled the auction scheduled for Thursday, Feb. 16 of its foreign exchange assets.

In a statement, Refco said it canceled the auction for the online foreign exchange assets of its Refco FX Associates LLC unit because it had not received any bids other than the original offer by Forex Capital Markets LLC (FXCM).

A hearing in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court scheduled for Friday Feb. 17 for the sale of the assets -- about 17,000 retail client accounts and a 35 percent stake in FXCM -- is expected to be postponed.

Refco said the creditors' committee in the Refco case and the agent for Refco's bank lenders have advised Refco they intend to object to the approval of the sale to FXCM and have requested more time. A new hearing date has not been set.
 樓主| 發表於 2006-2-16 21:52:55 | 顯示全部樓層
[quote:5e85728bb7="tom"]我们这里的兄弟都是在REFCOFX开户的,当时没有提款的应该在春节前后可以提款走人了。 祝贺。



如果等不及至少40天的过程,对于 停止提款,我琢磨了一个策略。
http://www.fxforum.com/p/viewtopic.php?p=29402#29402

兄弟们看看,呵呵,也许更适合那些没指望的RCM REFCO108帐户,不过我们这里应该没这样的吧。

时间: 16 12 2005 09:11 下午[/quote]



[quote:5e85728bb7="everok"][quote:5e85728bb7="tom"][quote:5e85728bb7="tom"][quote:5e85728bb7="tangchao"]
我们这里的兄弟都是在REFCOFX开户的,当时没有提款的应该在春节前后可以提款走人了。 祝贺。



如果等不及至少40天的过程,对于 停止提款,我琢磨了一个策略。
http://www.fxforum.com/p/viewtopic.php?p=29402#29402

兄弟们看看,呵呵,也许更适合那些没指望的RCM REFCO108帐户,不过我们这里应该没这样的吧。

TOM

tom斑竹您好,关于您的提款策略,我非常想看一下,因为本人非常不幸,是REFCO108的帐户,而且还比较多,好几万美金呀,都是血汉钱呀。我试过您发的那个连接,被告知无权浏览。在这里恳请tom斑竹能让小弟看看,谢谢。如果不便公开此策略,能不能发一份到我邮箱,小弟决不泄漏,再次感谢斑竹,希望能帮帮小弟。[/quote]

REFCO108已经停止交易了,所以那个策略已经对REFCO108无效了[/quote]

同情楼上兄弟。 你当时为什么没有开REFCOFX.com 而开了REFCO108,元凶哪里去了?

:arrow: REFCO108已经入土了。
在REFCOFX。COM还有资金的个别几位朋友,应该抓紧时间按照我在俱乐部里面发的方法,尽快自我解救吧,求人不如求己,谁知道月底那个拍卖会有什么新的可能发生 :!:  :!:  :!:  :!:[/quote]

TOM的预计应验了。拍卖日期推迟。
还没有跑的是否还在犹豫???[/quote]


REFCOFX的兄弟 :!:  :?:  :idea:
發表於 2006-2-17 23:03:07 | 顯示全部樓層

为什么要隐藏阿,好多人都在关心这件事呢

为什么要隐藏阿,好多人都在关心这件事呢
發表於 2006-2-18 05:47:08 | 顯示全部樓層
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Refco Inc.'s creditors moved to block the sale of the company's foreign-exchange unit to an electronic currency-trading firm, saying the prospective buyer simply wants to "flip those assets to an outside investor at a huge profit."

In court papers, the creditors said Forex Capital Markets LLC shouldn't be permitted to buy Refco FX Associates LLC - even though an attempted auction attracted no rival bids for the unit. They said Refco would be better off if it simply "wound down" Refco FX and put its "very valuable" 35 percent stake in Forex Capital Markets up for sale.

Forex Capital Markets, also known as FXCM, caters exclusively to online retail investors. Refco is a minority partner in the business. After Refco filed its Chapter 11 bankruptcy petition amid an accounting scandal last October, FXCM said it began to look for ways "of replacing Refco as a joint-venture partner."

FXCM offered $110 million for the Refco FX's assets - including Refco's stake in FXCM - but ran into opposition from Refco creditors. The delayed acquisition, it said in a letter to the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Manhattan late Thursday, is hurting FXCM's business. In January alone, FXCM said it lost $13.7 million.

FXCM asked U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Robert Drain to let the firm complete its purchase of Refco FX before an April 21 deadline. It said it needs "significant lead time to be prepared for a closing," and accused Refco's creditors of "attempting to use delay for tactical advantage."

Refco's creditors committee said FXCM's purchase offer was unacceptably low, and that it would provide only about $40 million in cash to Refco FX creditors.
 樓主| 發表於 2006-2-18 14:21:26 | 顯示全部樓層
The delayed acquisition, it said in a letter to the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Manhattan late Thursday, is hurting FXCM's business. In January alone, FXCM said it lost $13.7 million.


单单1月份,FXCM自称它损失了 1370 万 美金
發表於 2006-2-21 02:20:44 | 顯示全部樓層
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/business/3667677.html
Feb. 17, 2006, 3:09PM
Refco Creditors Move to Block Unit Sale


© 2006 The Associated Press

WASHINGTON — Refco Inc.'s creditors moved to block the sale of the company's foreign-exchange unit to an electronic currency-trading firm, saying the prospective buyer simply wants to "flip those assets to an outside investor at a huge profit."

In court papers, the creditors said Forex Capital Markets LLC shouldn't be permitted to buy Refco FX Associates LLC _ even though an attempted auction attracted no rival bids for the unit. They said Refco would be better off if it simply "wound down" Refco FX and put its "very valuable" 35 percent stake in Forex Capital Markets up for sale.

Forex Capital Markets, also known as FXCM, caters exclusively to online retail investors. Refco is a minority partner in the business. After Refco filed its Chapter 11 bankruptcy petition amid an accounting scandal last October, FXCM said it began to look for ways "of replacing Refco as a joint-venture partner."

FXCM offered $110 million for the Refco FX's assets _ including Refco's stake in FXCM _ but ran into opposition from Refco creditors. The delayed acquisition, it said in a letter to the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Manhattan late Thursday, is hurting FXCM's business. In January alone, FXCM said it lost $13.7 million.

FXCM asked U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Robert Drain to let the firm complete its purchase of Refco FX before an April 21 deadline. It said it needs "significant lead time to be prepared for a closing," and accused Refco's creditors of "attempting to use delay for tactical advantage."

Refco's creditors committee said FXCM's purchase offer was unacceptably low, and that it would provide only about $40 million in cash to Refco FX creditors.



中文版本只是网上的翻译,以英文为准


Refco债权人阻碍FXCM 购买其分

华盛顿电—Refco公司的债权人开始阻挠Forex Capital Markets LLC购买Refcod的外汇交易分支, 因为他们认为”买家只是想把这些财产抛售给外围买家以获取暴利".
在法庭材料中, 债权人认为Forex Capital Markets LLC不应该被允许购买Refco FX Associates LLC(即Refco 外汇交易这一部分)。 他们认为不应该将Refco这部分极有价值的35% 的股份出售给FXCM。
FXCM 服务于网上零售投资者。Refco 是其业务中的小分额合作伙伴。 在去年10月Refco由于经济丑闻而递交破产之后,FXCM说他们准备寻求方式来“替代Refco 成为一个联合风险的合作伙伴”.
FXCM出价1亿1000万购买Refco外汇分支的资产—包括Refco在 FXCM的股份—但是这与Refco的债权人反方向运作。FXCM 在上周四递交给曼哈顿美国破产法庭的信中, 说到这项延迟的收购在破坏FXCM的商业运行。仅仅一月,FXCM说他们已经损失了1370万美元FXCM 要求美国破产法庭法官Robert Drain允许他们在4月21 日前完成收购Refco FX。
债权人不能接受FXCM低价购买Refco, 因为这样大约只有4000万的现金返还给债权人。
發表於 2006-2-21 13:01:22 | 顯示全部樓層
4月21日,又半年过去了……
这都行~
發表於 2006-2-22 17:17:37 | 顯示全部樓層
哎,希望好事多磨阿
發表於 2006-2-22 22:06:21 | 顯示全部樓層
好事?  两个垃圾
發表於 2006-2-23 02:33:16 | 顯示全部樓層
新闻上说FXCM因为Refco的事损失惨重,主要以以下三个部分作说明:

1。为什么FXCM要买Refco
FXCM富丽堂皇的言词说明要拯救在Refco被困住的帐户。我想,你我都能猜想到这句话到底是真是假(毕竟至今没听说过FXCM的慈善行为)。那到底是为什么? 主要是因为Refco是FXCM最大的股东之一,拥有35%的股份。现在Refco破产,代表35%FXCM目前在政府手里。因此FXCM当然着急,如果他们买不到的话,35%的FXCM即将落在其他公司手中。
2。为什么到最后只剩FXCM愿意买Refco?
在Refco倒闭后有许多公司有兴趣买下Refco FX的客户帐户,但是在作了调查及分析后,最后只有FXCM愿意买。不是其他公司买不起,因为这些有兴趣的金融公司有的比FXCM大得多,那原因是什么?当然没有公司会公开他们的分析结果,但是按照常理推想,他们应该是认为Refco FX以及它所拥有的FXCM35%股份并不值得购买。(要记住,这些金融公司可得到的内情是小投资者所无法得到的)

3。现在Refco债主不同意以1忆1千万将Refco卖给FXCM,而FXCM因而每个月损失1370万。1忆1千万对FXCM来说已经是很大的数字,如果再加码,钱应该从哪里来?如果再拖下去,FXCM还有几个1370万可以亏(每个月)?
这都算小事,FXCM由几个股东所组成,现在其中一个大股东已经不在了(Refco),如果其他的股东看到不断的亏损下去,他们会怎么作?他们可以随时决定不作,把股份提出,他们这几年赚得钱至少还拿得回来。
在美国,要宣布破产不需要太多时间(看看Refco的例子),一宣布破产,客户的钱就像现在一样拿不出来。
试想,如果你把钱放在银行,现在这个银行很有可能会出现问题,你会怎么作?


这个是在FXCMASIA论坛上贴出来。 比较好玩
發表於 2006-2-23 12:40:22 | 顯示全部樓層
怎样才能把钱转出来啊~
老大帖的那个帖子俺看不到,有哪个好心人给我发个短信息让俺赶紧把钱转移啊

谢谢诸位了~~
跪谢~…………
:cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
 樓主| 發表於 2006-2-26 15:59:33 | 顯示全部樓層
[quote:df0e061755="sunzhee"]怎样才能把钱转出来啊~
老大帖的那个帖子俺看不到,有哪个好心人给我发个短信息让俺赶紧把钱转移啊

谢谢诸位了~~
跪谢~…………
:cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:[/quote]


尊重知识产权,REFCO系列的事情越来越复杂,未经过原作者TOM的许可,无法公开。
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